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Computers for Cynics 2 - It All Went Wrong at Xerox PARC

23K views · May 28, 2012 · 14:02 · 1 HN recommender · 3 mentions · discussed 2014–2023

Ted Nelson, in his Computers for Cynics series, gives a critical history of Xerox PARC's vision of personal computing. He lists what he sees as the limitations and wrong turns in PARC's approach to the desktop and documents.

Why Hacker News points people here: HN readers treat it as a contrarian counterpoint to the usual PARC mythology, though one commenter noted a few apparent mistakes in it.

“Nelson's history is a breath of fresh air.”HN comment, 2014

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Recommendstod222Apr 2014

“Nelson's history is a breath of fresh air.”

Nelson lists limitations of PARC's vision, offering a fresher history.

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Thank you. Nelson does a great job enumerating the limitations of PARC's vision and the capabilities absent from PARC's work. After being exposed to PARC's self-congratulatory self-promotion for decades, Nelson's history is a breath of fresh air. This is not to devalue what PARC accomplished, but that its accomplishments must be taken in perspective. It All Went Wrong at Xerox PARC is also on YouTube: this video

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“a Ted Nelson video subtitled 'It all went wrong at Xerox PARC'”

Recalled as related Ted Nelson video.

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This comment jogged my memory of a Ted Nelson video subtitled 'It all went wrong at Xerox PARC' : this video

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CriticalleocJan 2014

“I noted a couple of apparent mistakes”

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It's Ted Nelson rattling through some of his computer-history notes on camera. So it's good material, but it's much better presented in his enjoyable and reasonably-priced book /Geeks Bearing Gifts/ link . I noted a couple of apparent mistakes: at this video Nelson says that Xerox paid Jobs to look at the PARC work, while AFAIK Apple in fact paid Xerox, in pre-IPO Apple stock. He also suggested that Xerox tried to bring in Jobs, when it seems to have been Apple who made the approach (at the instigation of Jef Raskin at Apple). this video is misleading. PARC was more-or-less forbidden to buy a DEC PDP-10, which would have reflected badly on the competing machines from Xerox's new acquisition Scientific Data Systems, so PARC built a PDP-10 clone (the MAXC) in-house for their own use. That had very little to do with why they later designed and built the Altos: there was nothing remotely similar to an Alto out there that they could have bought (Nelson knows this).

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