1.5M views · Aug 18, 2022 · 29:57 · 0 HN recommenders · 20 mentions · discussed 2022–2024
A hands-on comparison of self-parking systems on a Tesla Model S and 3 (including AP1 vs AP2), an Audi e-tron GT, a Ford Mustang Mach-E and a BMW i4 M50. It tests both parallel and perpendicular parking and finds Tesla's newer vision-based parking noticeably weaker than the others.
Why Hacker News points people here: Cited repeatedly in Tesla threads as concrete side-by-side evidence that Tesla's self-parking lags other manufacturers, undercutting its full self-driving claims.
“All cars nailed the spots they tested flawlessly while the Tesla just straight up didn't see most of the spots.”HN comment, 2023
You spent your whole comment focusing on their self driving claims while ignoring the rest of the company. The rest of the company? You mean the senior management that lord elno raided in an attempt to prop up Twitter? The VW ID4 has numerous complaints about their software and reliability. this video link link That's some impressive software.
“Tesla is not competitive with other manufacturers on simple tests like self parking”
This is true to form. Musk recently told a Tesla owner to stop complaining about "full self-driving" not working very well. Musk plainly believes in free speech for himself, but not for others: link The reality is Tesla is not competitive with other manufacturers on simple tests like self parking: this video Instead of running around trying to suppress "bad press", Tesla should focus on making their cars better.
“Tesla struggles with FSP (full self-parking)”
By autonomy you might mean range or autonomous driving. Tesla doesn't lead in range: link Tesla struggles with FSP (full self-parking): this video Tesla doesn't take liability for its semi-autonomous driving, whereas Mercedes does: link There are many areas Tesla doesn't lead.
“the in-house products are still not on par with the third party predecessors”
Tesla certainly delivers cars. But there are parts of it that are quite Theranesque, especially the self driving: * Re-sell third party products for a while ("Until our own offering is ready"). If the recently posted self parking video is to be believed, the in-house products are still not on par with the third party predecessors: this video * Pre-sell your product years before it's ready. * Aggressively suppress internal and external criticism. * Avoid objective evaluations of your product.
“Tesla is probably the WORST at automatic parking.”
Tesla is probably the WORST at automatic parking. Here’s a comparison against some other competitors. this video My own model Y has maybe successfully automatically parked 2/10 times. Most of my friends and coworkers have similarly low success rates.
“The Teslas perform the worst.”
> Everything Tesla/SpaceX has done has been: 1)Light years above the competition Here are some EVs trying to park themselves: this video The Teslas perform the worst. Tesla is yet to achieve full self-parking, never mind full self-driving.
“There's a hilarious video where you can see a modern Tesla utterly failing at parking”
There's a hilarious video where you can see a modern Tesla utterly failing at parking while an old Tesla with mobileye works just fine this video
“Teslas do poorly at self parking”
> You're not asking the automation to walk Tesla should aim for parking first. Teslas do poorly at self parking: this video
“Teslas aren't very good at backing themselves into any space”
It's because they've committed to the lie for years now and they've taken people's money on the promise of full self-driving that has still not been delivered. Tesla has falsely claimed that full self-driving will be delivered "next year" for years: link Tesla falsely claimed in 2016 that all Teslas had "the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver": link And Elon Musk said that without full self-driving Tesla is "worth basically zero": link Tesla has pointlessly backed itself into this corner, even though Teslas aren't very good at backing themselves into any space: this video
“Other manufacturers are better at it”
I don't think you need to spend millions to see the lack of capability in Tesla's supposed full self-driving. Tesla doesn't even achieve full self-parking. Other manufacturers are better at it: this video link
“It doesn't need to be parked because it basically can't park itself.”
How does an autonomous car not need to be parked? It doesn't need to be parked because it basically can't park itself. this video
“The Tesla auto park is legitimately awful.”
To add to one of your points, The Tesla auto park is legitimately awful. this video Every time we try it for a spot to reverse into, the linear regression it must be doing is so apparent. It violently tries to turn left and right rapidly trying to straighten itself. It works better for parallel spots but often gives up half way because it made a bad angle choice. We’ve tried it in various models in addition to our own Model Y. They’re just embarrassingly bad at it.
“All cars nailed the spots they tested flawlessly while the Tesla just straight up didn't see most of the spots.”
Someone else on HN commented this the other day. RSymons RSEV did a comparison[0] of the self-park feature of Tesla's compared to three other cars. All cars nailed the spots they tested flawlessly while the Tesla just straight up didn't see most of the spots. When they moved the cars further and further away so that the spot became more obvious it eventually did see the spot but parked over a foot from the curb Tesla seems to have a lot of software issues when it comes to "smart" features like these. I wouldn't be surprised if they are indeed worse than the competition, but I'd love to see a similar comparison [0] this video
“Teslas don't even do full self-parking, nevermind full self-driving”
Good, then there's no reason to rip people off in the meantime. Refund the money now and only charge customers money if and when they deliver actual factual full self-driving. Tesla backed themselves into this corner. They have lied about the state of full self-driving for years and they have failed to deliver on their own self imposed deadlines. Teslas don't even do full self-parking, nevermind full self-driving: this video Tesla admits they have failed to deliver (as an attempt to avoid being done for fraud): link link So, now that Tesla has done the hard thing of admitting to their failure, they can do the easy thing of returning the money.
“Tesla's implementation is laughable.”
They can't even keep up with self-parking technology. All the other electric car manufacturers don't seem to have any problem with it. But Tesla's implementation is laughable. this video
“And these days Teslas can't even do full self-parking”
> People will pay $20K for sport brakes or $10K for an unusual paint color. But they get the brakes and they get the paint. What they get with supposed "full self-driving" is puffery and lies. Musk's public statements around FSD since 2014 have been lies: link In 2016 Tesla claimed that all Teslas being produced "will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver." That was a lie: link And these days Teslas can't even do full self-parking: this video Now the word is that suckers who paid for FSD in a Tesla with Hardware 3 probably won't get Hardware 4: link Tesla was recently done for false advertising around FSD: link Tesla also admits they have failed to deliver full self-driving but they think they don't need to refund any money because "failure is not fraud": link Despite the admission of failure, Musk is still running around claiming that FSD will one day magically become the "biggest asset value increase of anything in history": link It's not even bullshit artistry. It's just bullshit.
“In reality Teslas can't even park themselves”
> He's never been in it for the money. Ah, so he must be in it for the bullshit and the lies. Like with his supposed full self-driving. Falsely claiming FSD "next year", year after year: link In reality Teslas can't even park themselves: this video Falsely claiming all Teslas have the hardware for FSD in 2016: link In reality the older Teslas now won't get Hardware 4: link That's some real good good faith.
“Tesla's performance was pretty all over the place there too.”
Pretty sure they use ultrasonic sensors. This channel actually had an automated parking test with many different EVs, and Tesla's performance was pretty all over the place there too. this video
“It can't even do basic tasks with super slow speed”
> Yet to see other auto manufacturers come anywhere near Tesla’s driver assistance system. this video There is nothing more to say about the 'glorious Tesla driver assistance system'. It can't even do basic tasks with super slow speed, no moving objects and all time in the world.
“just look at these videos as a comparison”
Tesla focused on FSD almost exclusively and everything in the car's software suffered because of that and stupid decisions to remove hardware. Autopilot is on a separate branch from FSD, not getting significant updates with the promise that at some point, it'll be merged with the FSD branch and it'll be super awesome - this year for sure, but maybe next year or 10 years after, look we made a robot that's definitely not a guy in a suit and it'll be out in 5 years, maybe 10, it can water plants now!, look a Cybertruck! isn't steel cool, etc When they switched from Mobileye to their own stack, it noticeably regressed in performance, then they worked to get it to work decently, but dropped the radar during Covid, going all in on Vision, regressing it even further. They promised at that time to at some point match the original Autopilot by reintroducing a distance of 1 and a max speed higher than 140 km/h and it's been 2 years since then with nothing on the front. Summon/ Smart summon as the guy in the article points out - is great, but doesn't work without USS sensors, which they removed and the functionality is coming back some day, but likely not soon, because it's not a priority. They've been selling cars for more than a year now that don't have that functionality, even though it's in a package worth 4000 euros that gets you basically nothing. Autopark - same thing, just look at these videos as a comparison - this video link It's easily the worst out of all manufacturers. In th
