2M views · Aug 11, 2024 · 27:25 · 3 HN recommenders · 6 mentions · discussed 2024–2025
Not Just Bikes argues that oversized American fire trucks and fire department requirements push cities toward wide roads and dangerous street design. He compares this with the Dutch approach to emergency response.
Why Hacker News points people here: HN people link it in threads on big vehicles and road safety as a comparison of US and Dutch fire department approaches.
“shows quite well the major difference in approach between fire departments in the USA vs the Netherlands”HN comment, 2025
“forcing bad road design to accommodate giant fire trucks cause more car collisions”
Oversized fire trucks force bad road design causing collisions
Also "How USA Fire Departments Are Getting People Killed". Summary: forcing bad road design to accommodate giant fire trucks cause more car collisions this video
“There's a good video from Not Just Bikes about it”
Relevant look at fire department requirements
Depending on which requirement they mean, that case is actually interesting. There's a good video from Not Just Bikes about it this video ("How American Fire Departments are Getting People Killed")
“shows quite well the major difference in approach between fire departments in the USA vs the Netherlands”
Compares US and Dutch fire department approaches
I think this video from the Not Just Bikes channel shows quite well the major difference in approach between fire departments in the USA vs the Netherlands (which is quite similar to many other European countries): this video Fire engines in Europe are as well equipped as the American/Canadian ones while not depending on these massive and expensive bespoke rigs.
“And less-car-centric areas ≠ no-vehicles-allowed-ever areas.”
Shows emergency vehicles can work in car-light cities
> How do you propose we handle logistics or emergency vehicles? Find the the width of said emergencies vehicles, and then build bike lanes that are a little wider than that: the emergencies vehicles can drive down them quite easily (and cyclists can get out of the way quite quickly). Alternatively, if a city has trams, created segregated rights of way, and the emergency vehicles can use them. * this video And less-car-centric areas ≠ no-vehicles-allowed-ever areas.
“large fire trucks create the need for wide roads, which enables normal car drivers to go at dangerously high speeds.”
Large fire trucks create wide roads and speeding
Somewhat related, Not Just Bikes / Jason Slaughter talked about how large fire trucks create the need for wide roads, which enables normal car drivers to go at dangerously high speeds. this video (27m24s) [2024-08-11]
“American fire trucks have gotten progressively larger over time”
American fire trucks have grown larger over time
I recently watched a YouTube video that described how American fire trucks have gotten progressively larger over time, which may help explain some of the cost increase: this video
