Not Just Bikes explains why cars rarely crash into buildings in the Netherlands, attributing it to street design that forgives mistakes and to systematic crash investigation. It contrasts this with North American acceptance of such crashes.
Why Hacker News points people here: HN cites it for the systems-over-blame view of road safety and for Dutch infrastructure design.
“tl;dw: because they actually do what you suggest, and they incorporate their findings into better road designs.”HN comment, 2022
“Look at this video's and others from this channel, to see how the netherlands builds infrastructure being more forgiving of mistakes”
Shows how Dutch infrastructure forgives driver mistakes and avoids crashes
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This is exactly the problem wit the car culture, almost everywhere outside the netherlands. You give cars so much space, they start behaving like it's the freeway, and then drive into buildings or do other stuff which kills drivers and other users. Of course they are speeding, and they shouldn't do that. But the netherlands thinks ahead, and tries not to give cars the opportunity to speed. So, we make a lot of obstacles and opposing traffic. Somehow drivers still do not like to kill people, slow down, and save themselves in the process. Look at this video's and others from this channel, to see how the netherlands builds infrastructure being more forgiving of mistakes, and find out how our cities turn out more livable: this video (Yes, i'm aware the suburban culture is different, hence the relation with cars)
RecommendserentzJul 2021
“The Not Just Bikes channel addresses this frequently with examples from The Netherlands”
Example of Dutch safety-focused street design
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Maybe this is a cause of the increase. But the root cause itself is the really abysmal way we design our streets that creates unsafe conditions. The Not Just Bikes channel addresses this frequently with examples from The Netherlands where they have a stronger focus on acknowledging humans suck and designing for safety, e.g: this video
RecommendsHellsMaddySep 2022
“tl;dw: because they actually do what you suggest, and they incorporate their findings into better road designs.”
Dutch investigate crashes and incorporate findings into better road design
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"Why Cars Rarely Crash into Buildings in the Netherlands": this video tl;dw: because they actually do what you suggest, and they incorporate their findings into better road designs.
RecommendsjodrellblankJun 2023
“for an interesting six minute talk about speed, road design and cultural expectations.”
Short talk on speed, road design and cultural expectations
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See the YouTube video by Not Just Bikes called “Why Cars Rarely Crash into Buildings in the Netherlands” for an interesting six minute talk about speed, road design and cultural expectations. this video
Cites itaehardingOct 2021
“It's refreshing to hear investigation into systemic problems vs personal responsibility regarding crashes”
Systemic approach to crashes versus personal responsibility
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Car crashes are taken very seriously in The Netherlands. It's refreshing to hear investigation into systemic problems vs personal responsibility regarding crashes, common in many other countries (see link). this video
Cites itHellsMaddyApr 2022
“In America, we blame individuals when systems fail.”
Supports point that systems design should replace blaming individuals
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In America, we blame individuals when systems fail. We don't have to, we can actually design systems to be better. Design isn't just about making things look pretty. Good design reduces entropy. this videolink
Cites itthrow0101aAug 2022
Cited as evidence that cars do crash into buildings
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> see link And a reply to that comment states: […] it does not appear to actually show a per-mile statistic. Where are you getting that from? And as the tabloid paper itself states: > Since 2011, bicyclists have injured more than 2,250 pedestrians — including at least seven who died — according to stats from the city Department of Transportation and published reports. So 6 / 2250 = 0.002666666667, or 0.3%. What percentage of car-pedestrian incidents lead to death? I'm guessing it is >1%. > Nobody is saying cars are good, but at least cars don't run on sidewalks, they stay on the roads and pedestrians don't walk in the middle of the road "just because they can". First off, they do not "stay on roads". See "Car smashes into Toronto bike shop and the metaphor is lost on no one": * link * link Also "Why Cars Rarely Crash into Buildings in the Netherlands": * this video And pedestrians walk/cross the middle of the road all the time, at least where I live. This has been dubbed "jaywalking" as part of a campaign of anti-pedestrian propaganda in the earlier twentieth century: * link
Cites itremramJul 2023
“it is blamed on "human error", bad drivers or youngsters going too fast.”
US blames human error while elsewhere crashes seen as systemic
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This reminds me of this video, about why cars crash into buildings so much in the USA, but not elsewhere: this video TLDR It is because in the USA it is blamed on "human error", bad drivers or youngsters going too fast. While in other places, it is seen as a systemic problem, like bad visibility, long stretches of straight roads encouraging speeding, etc.
