1M views · Jan 7, 2014 · 2:37 · 1 HN recommender · 4 mentions · discussed 2017–2024
A BBC Question Time clip in which Ian Hislop argues against capital punishment, rebutting the deterrence argument. He points out the problem of executing innocent people.
Why Hacker News points people here: Cited in threads on wrongful convictions and executions as a pithy rebuttal of the deterrence argument.
“It's not a deterrent killing the wrong people!”HN comment, 2024
“I recommend watching this clip from Question Time on the subject of capital punishment”
Question Time clip on capital punishment
I recommend watching this clip from Question Time on the subject of capital punishment: this video I'm still shocked that we have someone as Home Secretary who thought capital punishment was a good idea.
“the minister seems incapable of understanding that punishing people who turned out to be innocent isn't an effective system”
Exchange showing punishing the innocent is no deterrent
This is a very good point. There seems to be no coverage of whether the actual perpetrator was ever caught. We employ and compensate the police, admins and fund the judicial system, at least partly in order to serve as a deterrent to criminals. If our system has a high percentage of false positives or punishes innocent people then that reduces the efficacy of the system as a deterrent. I'm reminded of this exchange between a journalist and a British justice minister where the minister seems incapable of understanding that punishing people who turned out to be innocent isn't an effective system. this video
“It's not a deterrent killing the wrong people!”
Hislop rebuts deterrence argument about executing wrong people
It doesn't matter how heinous the murder was if you have the wrong suspect. this video > Priti Patel: this is about having deterrents... > Ian Hislop: It's not a deterrent killing the wrong people!
“I would strongly suggest watching this short clip of her talking about this in such a ridiculous way.”
> We have the most racially diverse Cabinet ever, elected by a massive majority. Priti and Rishi enjoy huge popularity. insular = ignorant of or uninterested in cultures, ideas, or peoples outside one's own experience. I have examined Priti Patel's statements and behavior. Her moral and cultural compass would be what I would exactly define as insular. For example, going on TV justifying applying the death penalty to innocent people which predominantly affects minority populations. I would strongly suggest watching this short clip of her talking about this in such a ridiculous way. She keeps repeating the phrase "does what it says on the tin" and "ultimate burden of proof" to justify killing innocent people. this video She's also on record supporting any and all of Israeli policies without accountability. this video She's on record bullying people. this video She's on record making unsubstantiated claims that minorities were refusing vaccines when the data and polling suggests otherwise and some evidence even suggests that authorities are purposely using that as an excuse to deny giving vaccines to minority populations. link , link In short, Priti Patel is a pretty insular personality, ie: a person who just happens to have brown skin but in fact reflect a highly insular conservative viewpoint. "Model" minorities such as her are often used by power structures to justify further reinforcement of highly biased policies that perpetuate a cycle of disenfranchisement. In other words, hav
