1M views · Jan 23, 2020 · 47:26 · 3 HN recommenders · 6 mentions · discussed 2021–2024
Lord David Willetts argues at the Royal Institution that the post-war baby boomers gained wealth and security at the expense of younger generations. He draws on his book The Pinch, covering housing, wealth and social policy in the UK.
Why Hacker News points people here: HN commenters point to it as a clear exposition of intergenerational unfairness in housing and wages, especially from a UK angle.
“One of the best expositions of the problem I've seen is this talk”HN comment, 2021
“One of the best expositions of the problem I've seen is this talk”
Boomer peer's exposition of the intergenerational fairness problem.
There is definitely a serious intergenerational fairness issue here. One of the best expositions of the problem I've seen is this talk by Tory peer (and boomer!) Lord David Willetts. this video
“I think a good explanation of the phenomenon is detailed here”
UK-focused talk on stagnant labor rewards and housing.
I think a good explanation of the phenomenon is detailed here: this video (it's a 50 min talk and targets the UK, but it's applicable to the Western world IMHO). The summary is: - People are working more and reaping less and less from their labor - Social security is getting both worse and less accessible for people in the working age - Working people in general have a much harder time entering the house market and when they do the bang for the buck is way worse than in the past - Retirement plans are getting worse and worse - Millennials and younger people will likely have to drastically reduce their carbon footprint by as much as a factor of 8 compared to the previous generations if we want to hit climate goals for the century Apart for the carbon one, the others are things I am also witnessing both in Switzerland and Italy. And with these premises I don't find surprising that people consider "working hard" or even working not worth it.
“You might find this video interesting from a UK perspective”
UK perspective comparing boomers with other generations.
You might find this video interesting from a UK perspective, I suspect with a mix of overlap and difference to the USA: this video David Willets draws comparison of "boomers" to other generations, and includes what is paid into healthcare vs. what is consumed in a lifetime.
“It also follows the conclusion from this talk [1].”
Supports claim of declining wealth and rising tax burden.
Income and wealth after Gen X is trending down for same age groups according to your sources. It also follows the conclusion from this talk [1]. Another thing to keep in mind is with decreasing birth rates, future generations will have a higher tax burden to support the aging costs of the previous generations. [1] this video
“Older people being richer is actually a relatively modern phenomenon.”
Older people being richer is actually a relatively modern phenomenon. Ref: "Have the Boomers Pinched Their Chiren's Futures", David Willets, Royal Society lecture. this video
“This talk for example while focused on a different topic covers some of the large scale effects”
Covers large-scale societal effects of the system.
You are looking at specific instances. For me it's about the systemic, large scale effects of the system. People routinely partake in exploitative systems without ill intent. The examples you provide could be applied in spirit to child labour. Is every instance of child labour immoral? I don't think so. But using the example of, how you as a 15 year old mowed some lawns to defend systemic child exploitation seems to miss the mark for me. I believe not all instances of landlordism are bad, but as a whole its effects on society are very negative. And that remains true even if all landlords were friendly and full of good intentions. The systemic effects remain the same. This talk for example while focused on a different topic covers some of the large scale effects this video .
