18K views · Dec 11, 2015 · 56:27 · 9 HN recommenders · 14 mentions · discussed 2015–2018
Chris Granger, creator of Light Table and the Eve language, gives a Berkeley data science lecture on what computation and programming might look like in ten years. He covers the path that led to Eve and ends with demos.
Why Hacker News points people here: HN keeps pointing to it as a thoughtful vision of programming for non-programmers and as background on Eve's motivations.
“very good talk about the background of eve”HN comment, 2017
“I absolutely loved the semantic wiki stuff that was shown towards the end of the”
Semantic wiki demo near the end
I absolutely loved the semantic wiki stuff that was shown towards the end of the "In search of tomorrow" video. This seems fairly different to that system. Is there a write up/talk about why you changed? Is there anything like that semantic wiki thing available for me to use? this video
“Take a look at the last 15 minutes or so of this video for a demo”
Eve demo resembles a semi-structured personal knowledge system
Chris Granger's latest experiments with Eve (github.com/witheve) look surprisingly like a semi-structured personal knowledge system. Take a look at the last 15 minutes or so of this video for a demo: this video (the whole video is interesting for the evolution of it)
“looks absolutely amazing for this use case”
Eve programming tool by Chris Granger
I just came across this a few days ago on HN: this video link Eve, the new "programming" tool developed by Chris Granger of Light Table fame, looks absolutely amazing for this use case. I personally can't wait to try it out.
“A talk by Chris Granger in Dec 2015 trying to answer”
What programming might look like in 10 years
A talk by Chris Granger in Dec 2015 trying to answer "What does programming look like in 10 years?" was interesting. < this video A recent iteration < this video looks wiki-like.
“Eve looks really promising, and could change the way that everyone writes software”
Eve demo, possibly changing how everyone writes software
There are a lot of professional developers who are blind. They use accessible IDEs paired with a Screen reader. Here is a good description: link In the future, I think there is a lot of potential for pairing a Conversational UI and a natural language programming...language. Eve looks really promising, and could change the way that everyone writes software, and not just the blind: link Here is a demo: this video
“reminded me of an interesting video by Chris Granger, co-author of the Light Table code editor”
Chris Granger on programming in 10 years, visual/code hybrid editor
This article reminded me of an interesting video by Chris Granger, co-author of the Light Table code editor, titled "In Search of Tomorrow: What does programming look like in 10 years?" He's designing a visual/code block hybrid editor. this video
“I found them to be very innovative and promising”
Prototype iterations of Eve, innovative and promising
Eve [1] is one project I know of that has been trying to tackle this very difficult problem. The project is led by Chris Granger, whom you might know from his work on the Light Table IDE [2]. They released a video last year that showcased some iterations of their prototypes and I found them to be very innovative and promising: this video [1] link [2] link
“I'd recommend to spend some more time looking into the research idbknox and his team have been conducting”
Research behind Eve, iterated from user experiments
Seeing Eve's development out in the open is inspiring. Many of the commenters are coming from positions of extreme skepticism towards new approaches to programming, probably justified by the history of the field, but I'd recommend to spend some more time looking into the research idbknox and his team have been conducting (see this video , for instance) and how much they have iterated based on user experimentation. A few questions come to mind now: 1 - This new demo, with the messaging app sample, and references to "my pm wants this or that" seems to point a change in positioning, from targeting non-programmers to professional programmers. Is this accurate? 2 - Is there a plan to integrate the grid-style or the adlibs style UI into this new iteration? 3 - If non-programmers are still a target, it seems to me that the ease of importing data from external sources would important to reach broad usage. Any research here? 4 - Html and css might be a hurdles for new users, any way Eve will help on this front? (edited for formatting)
“very good talk about the background of eve”
Good background talk on Eve's motivations
Will Eve ever take off? I like the thoughts behind it. this video very good talk about the background of eve. When he finally talks about eve you might want to switch to a more recent talk about it.
“chris granger - in search of tomorrow”
Listed among favorite tech talks
#Softwarish - I'm biased a bit more towards interface development: greg wilson - What We Actually Know About Software Development, and Why We Believe It’s True - link steve wittens - making webgl dance - the title is deceptive, it's in some ways a visual crash course in linear algebra - link glenn vanderburg - software engineering doesn't work - link chris granger - in search of tomorrow - this video alan kay - tribute to ted nelson at intertwingled fest - link bret victor - this is already mentioned but if I had to pick one it'd be 'the humane representation of thought' - link #Hardwarish: saul griffith - soft, not solid: beyond traditional hardware engineering - link deb chachra - Architectural Biology and Biological Architectures - link #Getting more meta in technology and history: James Burke - Connections
“he thinks that data structure you have in your app is most approachable for non-programmers”
Chris Granger's view on data structures for non-programmers
Are you familiar with recent work of Chris Granger? Apparently so far he thinks that data structure you have in your app is most approachable for non-programmers: this video
> * Eve by Kodowa: this video This guy seems kinda young. Does anyone think that the future of programming can come from people without extensive programming experience of current programming?
Demo of Eve's end-user programming work
Location: London Remote: Yes Willing to relocate: Yes Résumé/CV: link Email: [email protected] I was previously at Eve, designing languages, databases and query compilers aimed at end-user programming (demoed in this video ). Before that I spent several years consulting, bringing basic CS and performance knowledge to companies who need it. I don't have strong opinions on what I want to do next except that I would like to branch out into another field, either by learning on the job or by studying part-time. I'm particularly interested in cognitive science and group collaboration. link link link
Listed among Eve talks
That's a good suggestion. I'll do a little makeshift one here :) Blog posts are mostly here: link and a couple here: link Talks: link link link this video link Prototypes are collected here: link I'll try to make this nicer and put it on our homepage.
