230K views · Jun 25, 2020 · 1:35:14 · 0 HN recommenders · 7 mentions · discussed 2020–2021
John Gruber interviews Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak after WWDC 2020 about the Mac transition to Apple silicon, macOS Big Sur and iOS 14.
Why Hacker News points people here: Cited for Federighi's statement that Apple silicon Macs will run other operating systems via virtualization rather than direct booting.
“we're not direct booting an alternate operating system, it's purely virtualization”HN comment, 2020
“here a podcast with Craig Federighi on that matter”
Federighi on booting alternate operating systems on Apple silicon
During WWDC they said you can't use any other operating System at boot time, only through virtual Machines. Update: here a podcast with Craig Federighi on that matter this video
“we're not direct booting an alternate operating system, it's purely virtualization”
Federighi says only virtualization, no direct booting
Link with timestamp: this video "we're not direct booting an alternate operating system, it's purely virtualization"
WWDC talk claiming alternate OS cannot be booted
Here's WWDC talk claiming that you can't: this video I'm talking about ARM macs, not Intel ones.
“Craig Federighi said that it will be virtualization rather than booting other OS on the metal”
Federighi says other OSes via virtualization, not bare metal
Presumably they are locked down. When asked about alternate OS, Craig Federighi said that it will be virtualization rather than booting other OS on the metal, ie Linux (and possibly Windows) VMs rather than Bootcamp. That's one of the big things stopping me from switching from the Intel version. this video
“Apple was very clear that they are only supporting macOS on their hardware.”
Federighi clear Apple only supports macOS on its hardware
They're quoting Craig Federighi: this video I don't get the downvotes of the parent post, the interpretation is completely reasonable. The point is that Apple was very clear that they are only supporting macOS on their hardware.
“Craig Federighi says “We’re not direct booting an alternate operating system.”
Federighi interview on virtualization over direct boot
Is there another interview that goes into the details of Apple's boot setup goals? this video In this one, Craig Federighi says “We’re not direct booting an alternate operating system. Purely virtualization is the route. These hypervisors can be very efficient, so the need to direct boot shouldn’t really be the concern.”
“Apple's Craig Federighi assures us that the people making such assertions are "tools”
So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. link And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple is the sole decider of what we get to use on our computers. Of course Apple's Craig Federighi assures us that the people making such assertions are "tools" ( this video , timestamp 53:33) and they have no intention whatsoever of taking away our ability to do general compute on the machines we buy and own. Except... Apple can already decide what binaries you can execute. Should they choose to. Apple is now restricting what other OSes you can boot into. As they've chosen to. Apple can now make their machine reject a new, third-party repair part like a bad transplant. Should they choose to. It's clear where they're going. And I'm jumping ship. It's painful to do so, given how invested I am in the ecosystem, but we're already beyond the threshold that many of us would have left earlier in the decade. --- edit - It's also really hard as a designer + developer + would-be researcher in the making to find a good computer. Most non-Apple laptops don't have very good color accuracy. They also don't have good trackpads, and their keyboard + trackpad alignment is wonky (it's off-center in a lot of cases! How weird i
