3.9M views · May 8, 2018 · 15:13 · 3 HN recommenders · 7 mentions · discussed 2018–2026
Numberphile's Ben Sparks shows why the golden ratio is the most irrational number, using seeds, continued fractions and rational approximations. He also explains why plants use it for spacing leaves and seeds.
Why Hacker News points people here: HN calls it illuminating for explaining why phi is the most irrational number, relevant to hashing, spirals and phyllotaxis.
“a mind-rewiring video by numberphile concerning the golden ratio [0] made sense of all the spiral overlay art”HN comment, 2022
“This link gets passed around a lot and it's very illuminating”
Illuminating demonstration that phi is the most irrational number.
Golden ratio is not arbitrary, it solves the problem: How to make sure nothing lines up. This link gets passed around a lot and it's very illuminating, demonstrating that the golden ratio is objectively "the most irrational number": this video
“a mind-rewiring video by numberphile concerning the golden ratio [0] made sense of all the spiral overlay art”
Explains why plants use phi for leaf spacing.
a mind-rewiring video by numberphile concerning the golden ratio [0] made sense of all the spiral overlay art: yes, plants use it because it is an optimal solution for minimizing overlap when sprouting leaves during growth, maximizing spatial coverage but also, as a number that is least able to be approximated by rational, erm, ratios - it is a pattern that most closely approximates random patterns. So more than any other spiral, a fibonacci spiral has the highest likelihood of overlapping random points in 2D space... (and fibonacci series converges on the golden ratio because they are equivelent expressions of the continued fraction 1+(1/(1+(1/(1+(1/(1+(1/... [0] this video
“but it's a cool video! :)”
Clear explanation of phi as the most irrational number.
The article attempts to explain this property of phi: > Maybe you have a picture of a flower, and you want to implement “every time the user clicks the mouse, add a petal to the flower.” In that case you want to use the golden ratio: Make the angle from one petal to the next 360/phi and you can loop around the circle forever, adding petals, and the next petal will always fit neatly into the biggest gap and you’ll never loop back to your starting position. And points to a video. I think there's a much clearer explanation which shows how this is because (in some sense) phi is the "most irrational" ratio, stemming from its derivation from continued fractions: this video I freely admit I have not a clue how this does or doesn't improve hash algos, but it's a cool video! :)
“I remember this being the first time I appreciated the sense in which the phi was the most irrational number”
Continued fraction derivation showing phi is most irrational.
I learned about this not from Mathologer, but Numberphile [1]. The second half of the video is the continued fraction derivation. I remember this being the first time I appreciated the sense in which the phi was the most irrational number, which otherwise seemed like just a click-bait-y idea. But you've found an earlier (9 years ago vs 7) Mathologer video on the same topic. [1] this video
“Phi is the most irrational of the irrational numbers”
Explains phi as the most irrational number via rational approximations.
Phi is the most irrational of the irrational numbers, meaning that successive rational approximations are just slightly better: 1/1, 1/2, 2/3, 3/5, 5/8, 8/13, etc. There are no rational approximations that "jump out" as being much better, so you won't find any unexpected patterns when using it. The Golden Ratio (why it is so irrational) - Numberphile this video
“Numberphile video that touches some of the similar stuff at the end of this article”
Touches similar spiral material with animations.
I recently saw this [0] Numberphile video that touches some of the similar stuff at the end of this article, with the spirals being animated. [0] this video
“Numberphile has a video[1] that goes into why pi has a surprising amount of regularity despite being transcendental.”
Related Numberphile video on regularity in irrational numbers.
Not directly related to the phenomenon in the article, Numberphile has a video[1] that goes into why pi has a surprising amount of regularity despite being transcendental. [1]: this video
