296K views · Sep 21, 2020 · 20:08 · 1 HN recommender · 4 mentions · discussed 2020–2021
Der8auer visits Tescan and uses an electron microscope to compare real transistor sizes on Intel 14nm and AMD 7nm chips. It shows that process node names do not match physical measurements.
Why Hacker News points people here: HN cites it as visual evidence that nm node names are marketing labels and for its neat electron microscope comparison.
“Here's a neat video where they use an electron microscope to actually compare the transistor sizes for Intel 14nm and AMD 7nm”HN comment, 2021
“Here's a neat video where they use an electron microscope to actually compare the transistor sizes for Intel 14nm and AMD 7nm”
Electron microscope comparison of Intel 14nm and AMD 7nm transistor sizes.
Like others have said, the numbers aren't comparable between manufacturers. Here's a neat video where they use an electron microscope to actually compare the transistor sizes for Intel 14nm and AMD 7nm: this video
“the “7nm” or “10nm” number does not measure anything, and is effectively a process version number for marketing”
Electron microscope shows nm node names are marketing, not real measurements.
According to this video using an electron scanning microscope on amd and Intel chips, the “7nm” or “10nm” number does not measure anything, and is effectively a process version number for marketing. From memory there is no single number for measuring transistors or efficiency, transistor density is useful, but it doesn’t tell you the performance or power usage. this video
der8auer "14nm and 7nm are NOT what you think it is - Visiting Tescan" this video for reference "TESCAN is a leading global producer and supplier of scanning electron microscopes, focused ion beam scanning electron microscopes and micro-CT solutions."
“This reminds me of seeing a part of the chip from a scanning electron microscope”
Scanning electron microscope views of chip structures.
This reminds me of seeing a part of the chip from a scanning electron microscope: this video But I wonder how successful these methods are are extracting keys from a TPM or other hardware keys.
