“A recommended watch”
Staged-access look at Chinese camps; think about what is hidden
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A recommended watch: this video This is what China wants you to see. Now think about what they don't watch you to see.
Inside China's 'thought transformation' camps - BBC News
3.7M views · Jun 18, 2019 · 11:59 · 1 HN recommender · 5 mentions · discussed 2020–2021
A 2019 BBC News report by John Sudworth, who was given rare access to the secure facilities in Xinjiang where more than a million Muslims are thought to be held. Authorities call them training schools, and the report examines what the visit reveals about the system and conditions inside.
Why Hacker News points people here: HN cites it as a stage-managed press tour of the camps, useful for seeing what was shown and what was hidden.
“A recommended watch”HN comment, 2020
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Almost all of the extreme allegations are levelled by Zenz, Uighur seperatist organizations, and ASPI, an australian think-tank. Other sources do include people visiting there[1], including news-teams[2] and third-nation observers[3], but there claims usually get casually dismissed as a bad source for one reason or the other. Chinese media obviously isn't a good source either. Now Zenz is an evangelical fundamentalist who once wrote he's on a crusade against the CPC. His studies often times don't really follow scientific standards. For example, for his claim that 2 million Uighurs are held in concentration camps, he interviewed 8 Uighur refugees, and extrapolated from the numbers they believe to be detained from their villages to the whole region. Both ASPI and Zenz when accusing the chinese government of genocide via forced sterilization completely glared over the fact that it is the enforcement of the two-child-policy. And they do so knowingly, because if you read between the lines of their reports, it is quite obvious that all the women interviewed already had 2 or more children. It is extremely difficult to get an accurate picture of what is going on there. - Security is definetely extremely tight in the whole region, and "brainwashing camps" are admitted to exist by the government. Many international Xinjiang without an obvious agenda think something very fishy is going on, but the exact scale, method and goal are completely obfuscated by lies and propaganda from both si
One of several credible sources cited
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> But can you trust the source. His family haven't heard from him in 5 months, it seems quite extreme for a small amount of popularity. > Perhaps find a more credible source to support. Just to name a few: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. [1] link [2] this video [3] link [4] link [5] link
“The press is literally invited to see much of what is happening.”
Press tour of the camps
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The press is literally invited to see much of what is happening. [1] It just scratches the surface. [1] this video
“It looks creepy as hell from a western perspective.”
Journalists given a tour of reeducation camps
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Reminds me of the time China gave a tour to international journalists of their reeducation camps: this video It looks creepy as hell from a western perspective.