49K views · Feb 9, 2010 · 57:10 · 3 HN recommenders · 6 mentions · discussed 2011–2018
Eben Moglen speaks at NYU in 2010 about freedom in the cloud, arguing that centralized services and handing over personal data and server logs erode privacy and freedom. The talk lays out the motivation for FreedomBox, a personal server for your own data.
Why Hacker News points people here: HN recommends it as the foundational talk behind FreedomBox and the case against centralized web services.
“It's worth the watch/listen to get the idea in full.”HN comment, 2012
“Stop listening to Bob Marley. Listen to Eben Molgen.”
Moglen talk on freedom in the cloud.
Stop listening to Bob Marley. Listen to Eben Molgen. Youtube: "Eben Moglen - Freedom in The Cloud": this video Stop going to Starbucks. Send money to The Freedom Box Foundation. link Otherwise they may prove Richard Stallman correct.
“It's worth the watch/listen to get the idea in full.”
Explains the idea behind FreedomBox: own your own logs.
"... I follow a few high profile tech news source, but I never heard of Freedombox. ..." That's why it's important to read HN. Eben Moglen is one of the few lawyers I bother to listen too. It helps he has a CS background. Moglen did a talk at New York Technology Council & Internet Society, Friday, February 5, 2010 that outlined the idea behind the freedom box. I remember watching & listening to the recording just after the speech. It's worth the watch/listen to get the idea in full. The idea in short, "Own your own logs" . Third parties can't infer what they don't have. The talk is located here - link - this video or here for alternative AV formats ~ link
“Eben Moglen gave a great speech on what we're giving up by using centralized services.”
Speech on what centralized services cost us.
Eben Moglen gave a great speech on what we're giving up by using centralized services. His call to action was to basically build what YunoHost now is. This video of the speech is an hour long but a good one: this video
“the background to the freedom box can be found in this talk”
Background talk to the Freedom Box.
the background to the freedom box can be found in this talk "Freedom in The Cloud" , by Eben Moglen at NYU 2010Feb05 ~ this video
“Relinquishing control of server logs is the source of the problem.”
"... The idea that software should be free means that only software that isn't free gets polished to the level that anyone uses it. ..." Linux kernel? "... The Internet, which was supposed to be our great liberator and engine of learning, became George Orwell's bidirectional TV set. It's a TV set that watches you. ... and it all goes back to free. ..." Telephony isn't free and is spied on. Related but not quite. Relinquishing control of server logs is the source of the problem. cf: Eben Moglen, "Freedom in the Cloud" , Feb 5th 2010 @ NYU ~ this video
“Here are two potential features Eben Moglen mentioned[1] back in 2010”
Moglen's 2010 proposed FreedomBox features.
Here are two potential features Eben Moglen mentioned[1] back in 2010: * it should know how to go and collect your stuff out of all the social networking places where you've got it * it should know how to send an encrypted backup of everything to your friends' servers (in the video you can hear two developers making "mmm" noises at that feature) Eight years later, does Freedombox have either of those two features? [1] this video
