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The Problem with Biofuels

2.1M views · Jun 5, 2021 · 15:01 · 2 HN recommenders · 5 mentions · discussed 2021–2023

Real Engineering explains why biofuels, especially corn ethanol, are a poor energy source, looking at energy inputs, efficiency and carbon cost.

Why Hacker News points people here: Linked in fuel and aviation threads as the full story on why ethanol and biofuels are energy-negative or inefficient.

“But watch the video for the full story”HN comment, 2021

What Hacker News said 5

Strongly recommendslathiatJul 2021

“But watch the video for the full story”

Shows ethanol from corn is a poor energy source.

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This video was crazy, making ethanol from Corn provides something like 1% of the power of the sun hitting the square meter of farm used for it. Meanwhile using tonnes of water, space, and other things. It's basically a terrible idea over-all given alternatives like electricity and solar power. And it mostly only works because its government subsidised. But watch the video for the full story: Real Engineering - Why Biofuels Are Terrible this video

RecommendsdharmabJul 2021

“The same creator has a 15 minute video on that topic”

Explains that biofuel production is energy negative.

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The energy put into the process to grow and ferment the plants or algae is high enough to outweigh the offset use of fossil fuels. It's an energy negative process. The same creator has a 15 minute video on that topic: this video

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Cites itexabrialDec 2021

“There are no efficient ethanol operations both financially and carbon wise.”

Supports claim ethanol operations are inefficient.

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There are no efficient ethanol operations both financially and carbon wise. Even it the best case scenarios, it results in a break even in many years of the future but at a major loss of habitat. Corn is a huge problem, but there are literally no crops that solve the problem. this video

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Cites itrunarbergDec 2021

“I think the fermentation process of getting the bioethanol is not as carbon-neutral as we hoped.”

Supports claim bioethanol isn't carbon-neutral.

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I think the fermentation process of getting the bioethanol is not as carbon-neutral as we hoped. Then there is the issue of monoculture (although that is a problem with more industries). this video

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Cites itLord-JoboNov 2023

“Edit: the more directly relevant source”

Source on low-carbon fuel's remaining challenges.

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I think this may be wise given the rapid pace of development that batteries are still undergoing. Pretty hard to create a design around a battery when you dont even know what chemistry you are working with. And there is a bit of a revolution happening with lower carbon fuels, even though it sucks compared to pure electric, and it still has a lot of work to make sense( this video ). I was under the impression though that this was a potentially good area for hydrogen fuel? can anyone confirm? Edit: the more directly relevant source this video

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