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Abolish Copyrights and Patents? A Soho Forum Debate

93K views · Nov 24, 2021 · 1:29:58 · 3 HN recommenders · 3 mentions · discussed 2022–2023

A Soho Forum debate in which patent lawyer Stephan Kinsella argues for abolishing copyright and patents against law professor Richard Epstein. Both come from libertarian perspectives.

Why Hacker News points people here: HN points to it as a substantive debate on intellectual property from two libertarian angles, with Kinsella as the abolitionist voice.

“Here is a debate on IP with two different libertarian perspective”HN comment, 2022

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Strongly recommendsbreckApr 2023

“Anything by Stephan Kinsella is worth watching”

Kinsella argues for abolishing IP

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Anything by Stephan Kinsella is worth watching: this video > ignore the current economic system and wellbeing of the authors and artists who produce work. I'm not ignoring it, I will freely admit that I do not care about preserving the wealth of Atherton and Beverly Hills at the expense of poor children having second rate information. If they can figure out a way to make money in a world with actual property rights, great for them. I also don't think Oxcontin or mRNA vaccines or Fox News or CNN, etc, make a good case for having patents and copyrights.

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“Here is a debate on IP with two different libertarian perspective”

Debate on IP from two libertarian perspectives with research against IP

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Here is a debate on IP with two different libertarian perspective: this video `Abolish the IP laws` side provides some pointers to related research and empirical evidence against IP.

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“I thought this was a decent debate on the subject”

Both sides agree current copyright and patent system is in poor shape

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I thought this was a decent debate on the subject: "Abolish Copyrights and Patents? A Soho Forum Debate" ( this video ) One thing that struck me was that both sides in that debate agreed that the current copyright/patent system was not in very good shape. That's one nuance that I think can get lost in these discussions — somebody says "copyright can be good" and is met with the retort "look at how bad our system is right now" without allowing for the possibility that we could have a better system, rather than outright abolishing it. Anyway, I think there are good points on both sides; you seem to be more on the absolutist side (fair enough), but you might enjoy watching it.

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