2.7M views · Sep 5, 2020 · 21:05 · 1 HN recommender · 3 mentions · discussed 2020–2023
Stand-up Maths explains why the perimeter of an ellipse has no simple closed-form equation, showing the infinite series and presenting approximation formulas.
Why Hacker News points people here: Cited as an accessible explanation of why some simple shapes lack neat exact formulas.
“the info on calculating the actual value starts at 14 minutes (it's an infinite series).”HN comment, 2022
“the info on calculating the actual value starts at 14 minutes (it's an infinite series).”
Shows how to compute ellipse perimeter via infinite series.
See here for more on that: this video the info on calculating the actual value starts at 14 minutes (it's an infinite series).
“an exact (closed form) is provably not possible.”
Why the ellipse perimeter has no closed form.
There are neat formulas, but those are just approximations, as an exact (closed form) is provably not possible. link this video
“Something smaller than may help you grasp this idea”
Simple things can lack neat closed-form equations.
Something smaller than may help you grasp this idea: this video There are things we can characterize to any desired degree of accuracy but that e don't get cute little equations out of... and some of those things are so simple they've been staring you in the face since middle school and you just didn't ever notice their absence from your formula sheets. This is not the exact same situation being described but it's a similar thing. Being able to put a complex system into a computer and arbitrarily manipulate it still doesn't mean we can extract some simple explanation. On the other end of the scale, see all the AIs coming out. They're 100% computer artifacts with theoretically no mystery in them whatsoever... but they're just tables of billions of opaque numbers and doing anything with the numbers beyond just running them is amazingly difficult.
