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Blockchains Are a Bad Idea (James Mickens)

68K views · Jun 4, 2018 · 14:34 · 8 HN recommenders · 13 mentions · discussed 2018–2023

James Mickens of Harvard gives a funny lecture at HBS's Future Assembly arguing that blockchains are a very bad idea. He covers their trust, legal and practical shortcomings for real-world problems.

Why Hacker News points people here: A staple HN recommendation in crypto and Web3 threads as an entertaining, compelling case against blockchain.

“James Mickens' "Blockchains are a bad idea" talk [1] is a great explanation that discusses exactly that.”HN comment, 2021

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Strongly recommendsasciimikeSep 2021

“James Mickens' "Blockchains are a bad idea" talk [1] is a great explanation that discusses exactly that.”

Great explanation of blockchain's problems.

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James Mickens' "Blockchains are a bad idea" talk [1] is a great explanation that discusses exactly that. [1]: this video

in “Bitfinex just spent $23.7M in fees to make a single Ethereum transaction” · view on HN
RecommendstootieSep 2018

“James Mickens has a pretty good breakdown of why blockchain isn't a good solution for most real-world problems”

Breakdown of why blockchain is a poor fit for real problems.

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James Mickens has a pretty good breakdown of why blockchain isn't a good solution for most real-world problems: this video

in “Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are useless” · view on HN
RecommendsReedxSep 2018

“Here's a compelling and fun to watch lecture that James Mickens (Harvard SEAS) recently gave about the problems with Blockchain”

Compelling, fun lecture on blockchain's problems.

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Can only hide from fundamental issues for so long I suppose... Here's a compelling and fun to watch lecture that James Mickens (Harvard SEAS) recently gave about the problems with Blockchain - this video

in “Crypto’s 80% Plunge Is Now Worse Than the Dot-Com Crash” · view on HN
RecommendsonliSep 2018

“In better and funny: Blockchains Are a Bad Idea (James Mickens)”

Funny, better explanation of why blockchain is a bad idea.

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Notarizing documents is a great example where some people think blockchain is a good use case, and it's never true. Where would be the advantage of the scheme you describe to the current system? There is none. The system already works: people are given power to validate documents by the authority. The authority stores that centrally. The validation is mostly collected centrally. All stuff you can do perfectly fine without needing to run replicated servers storing an evergrowing immutable blockchain sipping authority from the real authority. The current scheme allows things like secret notarization and revocation, stuff a blockchain is very bad at. > it'll be up to the receiving agencies like England's government to decide "We trust the system the US uses to validate it's notiaries, so we'll add 'USRoxs' to our list of accepted Established Authorities (along with 'TheEnglish' of course)" Countries already have systems in place to accept documents made in other countries. Works with official translators and stamps/seals of authenticity. In better and funny: Blockchains Are a Bad Idea (James Mickens), this video

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RecommendsraghavaDec 2018

“Blockchains Are a Bad Idea (James Mickens)”

Offered as one of the best talks of 2018.

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Blockchains Are a Bad Idea (James Mickens) this video I find almost all from GOTO 2018 very insightful. link esp ones listed below. GOTO 2018 • The Do's and Don'ts of Error Handling • Joe Armstrong link GOTO 2018 • Pragmatic Event-Driven Microservices • Allard Buijze link GOTO 2018 • Why Business Cases are Toxic • Chris Matts link GOTO 2018 • Unconditional Code • Michael Feathers link

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RecommendsDyslexicAtheistFeb 2020

“I started curating blogs and videos (as myth-busters) to help me bring the point across in discussions.”

Top item in a curated list of blockchain myth-busting resources.

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:D I also got so annoyed that I started curating blogs and videos (as myth-busters) to help me bring the point across in discussions. My experience with this is sadly that changing anyone's mind who has already made it up is _really_ hard. Here is my list: Blockchains Are a Bad Idea (James Mickens) this video Hacking Blockchain (Konstantinos Karagiannis, Chief Technology Officer, Security Consulting, BT) link Myth Busting: Can a blockchain save healthcare? link Blockchain Graveyard link Response to Blockchain & Blockcerts Critiques from Privacy Researcher link Blockcerts: Using blokchain for identity management is (mostly) ridiculous link Blockchains from a Distributed Computing Perspective link Do you need a Blockchain? link IOTA Tweets from cybergibbons: link

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Recommendshow2cflagsDec 2020

“the talk for anyone who's interested considering he conveys a few interesting points I've seen throughout this thread”

Talk makes several points about blockchain's legal and trust issues.

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I concur with your point, considering we already have methods like hashing to create rather unique signatures, and with frameworks and regulations(laws). I'm going to vaguely quote James Mickens here, but you can basically sue someone if there is an issue. If there is an issue on the block chain? You need to fork it. Oh, and the talk for anyone who's interested considering he conveys a few interesting points I've seen throughout this thread. this video

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RecommendsthesuperbigfrogSep 2021

“James Mickens gives several arguments against blockchain-based systems like Bitcoin”

Gives several arguments against blockchain systems like Bitcoin.

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In "Blockchains Are a Bad Idea", James Mickens gives several arguments against blockchain-based systems like Bitcoin: See his presentation here: this video 1. People have out-of-band trust relationships in real life which reduce the likelihood of malice. Bitcoin-style anonymous identities undermine trust relationships and are not needed for legitimate (not illegal) transactions. 2. Real life legal systems encourage good behaviors. If you have a dispute with someone, you can sue them. Bitcoin and related systems lack these protections. 3. Existing tools such as public-key cryptography and digital signatures can provide most of the functionality that applications need without the problems that blockchain-based systems have.

in “Ask HN: What is your strongest argument AGAINST Bitcoin?” · view on HN
RecommendsthesuperbigfrogOct 2021

“James Mickens gives several arguments against blockchain-based systems like Bitcoin”

Gives several arguments against blockchain systems like Bitcoin.

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Exactly. Making money on blockchain requires retrofitting the web to use blockchain to do what the web can mostly do already. In "Blockchains Are a Bad Idea", James Mickens gives several arguments against blockchain-based systems like Bitcoin: See his presentation here: this video 1. People have out-of-band trust relationships in real life which reduce the likelihood of malice. Bitcoin-style anonymous identities undermine trust relationships and are not needed for legitimate (not illegal) transactions. 2. Real life legal systems encourage good behaviors. If you have a dispute with someone, you can sue them. Bitcoin and related systems lack these protections. 3. Existing tools such as public-key cryptography and digital signatures can provide most of the functionality that applications need without the problems that blockchain-based systems have.

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RecommendsthesuperbigfrogNov 2021

“James Mickens gives several arguments against blockchain-based systems like Bitcoin”

Gives several arguments against blockchain systems like Bitcoin.

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Web3 requires retrofitting the web to use blockchain technologies to do what the web can mostly do already. In "Blockchains Are a Bad Idea", James Mickens gives several arguments against blockchain-based systems like Bitcoin: See his presentation here: this video 1. People have out-of-band trust relationships in real life which reduce the likelihood of malice. Bitcoin-style anonymous identities undermine trust relationships and are not needed for legitimate (not illegal) transactions. 2. Real life legal systems encourage good behaviors. If you have a dispute with someone, you can sue them. Bitcoin and related systems lack these protections. 3. Existing tools such as public-key cryptography and digital signatures can provide most of the functionality that applications need without the problems that blockchain-based systems have.

in “An engineer's observations on Web3 and its possibilities” · view on HN
RecommendsthesuperbigfrogNov 2021

“James Mickens gives several arguments against blockchain-based systems like Bitcoin”

Gives several arguments against blockchain systems like Bitcoin.

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Web3 requires retrofitting the web to use blockchain technologies to do what the web can mostly do already. In "Blockchains Are a Bad Idea", James Mickens gives several arguments against blockchain-based systems like Bitcoin: See his presentation here: this video 1. People have out-of-band trust relationships in real life which reduce the likelihood of malice. Bitcoin-style anonymous identities undermine trust relationships and are not needed for legitimate (not illegal) transactions. 2. Real life legal systems encourage good behaviors. If you have a dispute with someone, you can sue them. Bitcoin and related systems lack these protections. 3. Existing tools such as public-key cryptography and digital signatures can provide most of the functionality that applications need without the problems that blockchain-based systems have.

in “Web3 is not Decentralisation – it’s a Ploy to put Crypto Bros in Charge” · view on HN
RecommendsthesuperbigfrogAug 2023

“James Mickens gave an entertaining presentation about why blockchain is poorly suited for most application use cases”

Entertaining talk on why blockchain suits few applications.

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James Mickens gave an entertaining presentation about why blockchain is poorly suited for most application use cases: this video

in “Ask HN: Should I Learn Blockchain?” · view on HN
Cites ittoomuchtodoJun 2020

“Technology doesn't fix trust and legal issues”

Cited in support of the case against blockchain.

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I trust my bank and the legal framework more than wallet software and a loose band of SWEs running a blockchain or DLT. If funds are wired to the wrong person in your jurisdiction, you can sue to recover it if the sending and receiving institutions can't claw it back. With crypto, you're SOL. Technology doesn't fix trust and legal issues, and a judge is going to laugh an immutable ledger out of a courtroom (or hold you in contempt). this video [HBR: Blockchains Are a Bad Idea (James Mickens)]

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